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08/25/2010

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DS

Any ideas when the actual decision will be made? I am CSPA aged out candidate, my grand parents(US citizen)applied for my mom and my mom nd sis got Permanent residency a in dec, 2008 they were in first preference category before and now I am in 2B...4.5 years of wait..

Eugene

I have the same problem.my parents became permanenet resudents in 2007 and i left behind .my grand father as us sitizen aplyed for my parents and me before that my age was 21 and i been refused at the time that my age become 21.but the great thing that they approoved first and after a month the denied...when all this problem going to end...

Dee

I hope thing will stay where they are. Too many people will wait even longer if the derivative beneficiaries will start cutting the line based on their parents' eligibility. You know, laws are not perfect, why parents are considered immediate relatives of the U.S. citizen children but adult children are not considered as immediate relatives to parents who are the U.S citizens? There are many things that are just like that we should not favor one group at the cost of the others.

Dee

First of all, recaptured or not, a visa number needs to be alloted from the general pull. And I would like to know how these aged out ADULT sons and daughters of US citizens and PRs are better than other adult sons and daughters that have been waiting in line in 1st and 2B preference categories for a long time? I've been waiting for 8 years now. Do they think I want to get my GC or reunite with my family any less than them simply because I was over 21 when my parents filed a petition for me?
No! They have to accept the fact that their eligibility criteria have changed and wait for their turn based on the new eligibility.

D M

@ Joel: Lol!

You know this whole immigration mess could be solved if they pass the comprehensive immigration reform.

D M

@ Joel: Lol!

You know this whole immigration mess could be solved if they pass the comprehensive immigration reform.

DS

Well as said above I was aged out and my mom nd sis got the green card and i m now in 2b category..and for our first category to b current we waited 8 years and then in that 8 years the visa date for one year was stuck..In 2006 I think..did not even move by even a day..Admin Delay..wen we inquired they told us they are upgrading their system..Wat da hell?

oh nd btw...I m aged out by 8 days..so is i fair that I am born 8 days early nd i have to wait 4.5 years more for that and my mom nd sis are willing to give their visa up jus bcoz I dnt have green card..so hows the rules helping anyone..Dee?nd u know what you would have been in favor if you would have been in the same boat..

Dee

The rules are not helping and I feel your pain. There are a lot of things that I don't like either, but we don't set the rules. Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Tomorrow they may cancel this whole derivative immigration and that's their right to set the laws as they wish. In your case the original petition was for your mom, not for you. Yes I agree that you were out of luck, but that's not enough to push you to the front of the line because your eligibility criteria has changed. Just like if you miss a plane or a train that means you are out of luck and have to wait for the next one.

Dee

There are several big reasons why ADULT overaged sons/daughters of the immigrants should not retain the PD of their parents.

One - they waited for the benefits intended for their parents WITH them, not separated from them for years like other beneficiaries in 1st and 2B categories. Got the difference? Once again, they were NOT separated from their families for all these years. And now they can't demand to cut the line whining about special privileges like they are any better than hundreds of thousands of other adult sons and daughters of the immigrants.

Two - Family based immigration is designed to promote FAMILY UNITY for spouses, children, adult sons and daughters, parents, brothers and sisters. Only those kind of relationship qualify for immigration petition and PD. Family sponsored immigration program in the US is NOT designed to sponsor nephews, cousins, grandchildren, etc. And therefore the Priority Date for such kind of relationship can not be established. In other words you can NOT claim the time you waited to be reunited with your uncle or cousin. And since YOU WERE NOT SEPARATED from your QUALIFYING family members you can NOT claim the time you spent waiting for the immigration benefits intended for your parents and WITH your parents.
So stop whining, go to the back of the line and wait for your turn!

D M

Flawed analogy and irrelevant points. The petitioner as a citizen of the US has the RIGHT to fight unfairness and injustice in the court of law. Some of the major immigration policy violates US constitution. USCIS will eventually lose. As to an US citizen systematic separation of his family equals tyranny. This kinda shit happens in North-South Korea, where families are separated for decades and had happened in West-East Germany. US is a nation of immigrants and family unity is a RIGHT not a PRIVILEGE. US citizen has a constitutional right to live together as a family and family unity is an 'intrinsic human right'. Let me remind you that the derivative beneficiaries aren't the one fighting with these CSPA lawsuits but by the US citizens. CSPA was passed for the sole reason of keeping families together. The problem is USCIS applying it unevenly, quite recently they granted a visa based on CSPA law to only one of the derivative beneficiary from mexico and the other sister was left out which is ridiculous and why did they chose to grant 'Retention of PD' to Garcia then reject for others. If you think granting derivative beneficiaries their visas puts few people like you in disadvantage position then ask your petitioner to talk to congressmen to increase the number of visas. Don't come here and complain. We are not your problem. If you still persist, take it to the court.

Dee

OK, then using the same arguments request your senator to pass the law to remove quotas from the FB immigration, and see what they will tell you about your rights :)))))

As long as you are trying to claim the old priority date that does not belong to you (as you were not separated from your parents) trying to cut the line in front of me and the other people who has actually been separated and waited for many years to be reunited with their parents - it is my business. So stop whining about some special privileges and go where you belong - to the back of the line!


t

is there anyway we can delete the nonsense "Dee" has posted so far.

Dee

That's a strong argument in the discussion :)) Based on your type of posts you must be a being of the high intelligence and strong English :)) But with your attitude it will be hard for you to adapt in the U.S.
P.S. I was laughing at your "No need to allot a new visa" above. Learn basics first before posting here.

Dee

It would be nice if Carl Shusterman could clarify what is going to happen if he wins in the court? Are these aged out children will be allowed to retain the priority date of their parents and will apply for immigration under 1st and 2b preference quota or the visa number will be alloted from the same category as their parents' (3b or 4th)?

Carl Shusterman

In case it is not clear from our briefs to the Federal Courts. The appropriate category under the law is the family-based 2B category.

Dee

Thank you for clarification, Carl. So if the child if under 21 - the visa number will be alloted from 3rd or 4th preference, but if the child is over 21 the visa number will be alloted from the 2B preference category AND such a child will retain the PD of his/her parents. I hope I got it right. Well, if that happens it will backlog category 2B by the additional 1-2 years, eventually it will affect 1st category as well.

lisa mulzac

I find people must really thing before they write. They must also read before and understand before they comment.If u don't know or understand the CSPA, don't comment on it, because u wll make no sense!

t

I am in full agreement with Lisa Mulzac!

Joel

Who is 'you' in your statement Lisa?

lisa mulzac

@ Joel.I'm an educated woman, who knows what I'm writing about. This issue is not new to me, I've been studying an reading about this issue for quite a while, and I know when I make a comment, it will be very edifying to the readers. Now u know about me, who are u?

lisa mulzac

Immigration issues can be very sensitive, so if u are not properly informed u can get carried away.When Mr Bush passed the CSPA it was to help children in all family and employment base category, so if a child was waiting in line with their parents for over fifteen years and age out, it is their rights by law to retain the priority date that they were listed under. There is no line jumping here , so again people read and understand before u comment.

Joel

@Lisa: You know you should refer to a person with his name when you are posting a response especially in a public forum or comment on blogs. Although I know that you are responding to 'Dee'.

lisa mulzac

@ joel, I can comment however I see fit, if u or anybody else wants to take it up that's on u. My interest at this time is to help people understand the CSPA Law and see how they can benefit from it.Ambiguous interpretation of this law is what causing this problem. Congress need to clarify this and stop playing politics.people lives are at stake, their future are place on hold as a result of this. This is a very serious situation, that need immediate attention.

ssheplovich

I can see how confusing and emotional this issue is. The case I am familiar with the US Citizen petitioned for his wife and his stepdaughter. Due to delays in name check the daughter aged out after 10 years here. So she came here with her mother at 11 years old and has no family in her home country. This is very disruptive to her college education and other issues like her ability to support herself. Although I am sympathetic to those waiting in line in family based categories this type of changing the category and forcing people like this young woman back into another line seems very unfair. While its true she has not been separated from her mother all these years its not the same as an adult who has been living in the foreign country as an adult during the waiting period.

lisa

I don't understand why congress refuse to fix this problem. So many children are suffering as a result of this fail immigration system. What make a mother and a father immediate relative, and your child that you carried for nine months not, because they turn 21years old. This could never be right. The CSPA bill clearly states that if a child age is determine to be 21 or older in all family and employment base category, must be converted to the appropriate category and maintain their priority date. What so hard about this that congress can't address, so these children can move on with their lives. What happen to the ninth circuit court on this ruling? Why President Obama don't look into this law. These kids are suffering. Their lives are put on hold. Where is the government in all this.

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